Hi all,
Please note a couple more members on this list now. (.es, .be) Quick question to Robin and all: I create the repo on gitlab.centr.org but in hindsight wondered if it would have been easier for people to use github ? https://github.com/CENTRprojects/ ? It's not too late to change as we only just set it up and no activity yet.
Robin - please provide next steps for this group.
Regards Patrick
From: Patrick Myles Sent: Monday, 4 November 2024 8:00 PM To: r&d@centrlists.org Subject: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Invitation to new Task Force:
Title: Address Check Lead: DENIC, .de (Robin Gontermann) Background: To create an address check solution, that works well for European addresses and can be used as a standard in the CENTR community. As Registries we will be able to provide uniform address check results to our customers. Since we have seen, that some of us already achieved solutions optimized for domain holders living in their country, but struggling to find solutions for foreign citizens, we want to align our knowledge to create a general solution. Start date: November 2024 End date: May 2025 Deliverable 1: Share country specific knowledge about addresses in a Repository to be created in the CENTR environment. Interested participants can create a folder for their country code and share specific insights about addresses in their country. It is not just about official standardized ways of displaying an address, but also how people in general deal with addresses. For example, in Germany we have a 5-digit postal code system, but unofficially some leading zeros are skipped and there are many used ways of displaying the postal code like: 01814 = 1814 = DE-01814 = D-01814. The repository can also hold resources for address data, if there are any in your country. Additional: We invite interested participants to try out the DENIC Address Checker tool, which is currently optimized for German addresses, but is able to check addresses globally (with varying accuracy). Since it needs some requirements to set up the service, we are planning to provide each interested participant access to our system via API white listing. Long term it is the intention to make the Address Checker tool open source and/or offer it as a service. How does this work compare to NISFITS group? Address Check is more of a technical solution to a problem of address verification related to NIS requirements. Communication: CENTR has opened a mailing list for participants and a gitlab repository.
Patrick Myles Data Analyst
CENTR - Belliardstraat 20, 1040 Brussels, Belgium Signal +61 415 728 347 - Skype: pat_centr www.centr.orghttp://www.centr.org/
Doesn't make any difference to me if it's Github or Gitlab.
That said, what is the primary purpose? If it's only knowledge sharing, we could just as well use CENTR Github like we do with other initiatives (e.g., NISFITS)
On the other hand, if we also consider sharing actual working code, CENTR Gitlab might be a better fit both in terms of security and functionality?
But again, it's up to you. Both works fine for me.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Nikolaj Ravn Hansen Udviklingschef / Head of Development
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From: Patrick Myles patrick@centr.org Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2024 4:50 AM To: tf_address_check@centrlists.org Subject: [Tf_address_check] FW: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Hi all,
Please note a couple more members on this list now. (.es, .be) Quick question to Robin and all: I create the repo on gitlab.centr.org but in hindsight wondered if it would have been easier for people to use github ? https://github.com/CENTRprojects/https://cas5-0-urlprotect.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fCENTRprojects%2f&umid=99ccb7dd-2de6-4bef-8600-dfa4d2643be7&auth=d0fd9b3dc0e68dcfc6c9a734ef37701405f1c817-8fea672ea89f7d17922b3ed4560ff80df891c0a2 ? It's not too late to change as we only just set it up and no activity yet.
Robin - please provide next steps for this group.
Regards Patrick
From: Patrick Myles Sent: Monday, 4 November 2024 8:00 PM To: r&d@centrlists.orgmailto:r&d@centrlists.org Subject: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Invitation to new Task Force:
Title: Address Check Lead: DENIC, .de (Robin Gontermann) Background: To create an address check solution, that works well for European addresses and can be used as a standard in the CENTR community. As Registries we will be able to provide uniform address check results to our customers. Since we have seen, that some of us already achieved solutions optimized for domain holders living in their country, but struggling to find solutions for foreign citizens, we want to align our knowledge to create a general solution. Start date: November 2024 End date: May 2025 Deliverable 1: Share country specific knowledge about addresses in a Repository to be created in the CENTR environment. Interested participants can create a folder for their country code and share specific insights about addresses in their country. It is not just about official standardized ways of displaying an address, but also how people in general deal with addresses. For example, in Germany we have a 5-digit postal code system, but unofficially some leading zeros are skipped and there are many used ways of displaying the postal code like: 01814 = 1814 = DE-01814 = D-01814. The repository can also hold resources for address data, if there are any in your country. Additional: We invite interested participants to try out the DENIC Address Checker tool, which is currently optimized for German addresses, but is able to check addresses globally (with varying accuracy). Since it needs some requirements to set up the service, we are planning to provide each interested participant access to our system via API white listing. Long term it is the intention to make the Address Checker tool open source and/or offer it as a service. How does this work compare to NISFITS group? Address Check is more of a technical solution to a problem of address verification related to NIS requirements. Communication: CENTR has opened a mailing list for participants and a gitlab repository.
Patrick Myles Data Analyst
CENTR - Belliardstraat 20, 1040 Brussels, Belgium Signal +61 415 728 347 - Skype: pat_centr www.centr.orghttp://www.centr.org/
Thanks Nikolaj For the moment we decided to leave in gitlab. Regards Patrick
From: Nikolaj Ravn Hansen nrh@punktum.dk Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2024 7:00 PM To: Patrick Myles patrick@centr.org; tf_address_check@centrlists.org Subject: RE: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Doesn't make any difference to me if it's Github or Gitlab.
That said, what is the primary purpose? If it's only knowledge sharing, we could just as well use CENTR Github like we do with other initiatives (e.g., NISFITS)
On the other hand, if we also consider sharing actual working code, CENTR Gitlab might be a better fit both in terms of security and functionality?
But again, it's up to you. Both works fine for me.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Nikolaj Ravn Hansen Udviklingschef / Head of Development
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Punktum dk A/S Ørestads Boulevard 108, 11. sal DK-2300 København S
+45 3364 6065 * +45 4076 1796 * nrh@punktum.dkmailto:nrh@punktum.dk * punktum.dkhttp://www.dk-hostmaster.dk/
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From: Patrick Myles <patrick@centr.orgmailto:patrick@centr.org> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2024 4:50 AM To: tf_address_check@centrlists.orgmailto:tf_address_check@centrlists.org Subject: [Tf_address_check] FW: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Hi all,
Please note a couple more members on this list now. (.es, .be) Quick question to Robin and all: I create the repo on gitlab.centr.org but in hindsight wondered if it would have been easier for people to use github ? https://github.com/CENTRprojects/https://cas5-0-urlprotect.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fCENTRprojects%2f&umid=99ccb7dd-2de6-4bef-8600-dfa4d2643be7&auth=d0fd9b3dc0e68dcfc6c9a734ef37701405f1c817-8fea672ea89f7d17922b3ed4560ff80df891c0a2 ? It's not too late to change as we only just set it up and no activity yet.
Robin - please provide next steps for this group.
Regards Patrick
From: Patrick Myles Sent: Monday, 4 November 2024 8:00 PM To: r&d@centrlists.orgmailto:r&d@centrlists.org Subject: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Invitation to new Task Force:
Title: Address Check Lead: DENIC, .de (Robin Gontermann) Background: To create an address check solution, that works well for European addresses and can be used as a standard in the CENTR community. As Registries we will be able to provide uniform address check results to our customers. Since we have seen, that some of us already achieved solutions optimized for domain holders living in their country, but struggling to find solutions for foreign citizens, we want to align our knowledge to create a general solution. Start date: November 2024 End date: May 2025 Deliverable 1: Share country specific knowledge about addresses in a Repository to be created in the CENTR environment. Interested participants can create a folder for their country code and share specific insights about addresses in their country. It is not just about official standardized ways of displaying an address, but also how people in general deal with addresses. For example, in Germany we have a 5-digit postal code system, but unofficially some leading zeros are skipped and there are many used ways of displaying the postal code like: 01814 = 1814 = DE-01814 = D-01814. The repository can also hold resources for address data, if there are any in your country. Additional: We invite interested participants to try out the DENIC Address Checker tool, which is currently optimized for German addresses, but is able to check addresses globally (with varying accuracy). Since it needs some requirements to set up the service, we are planning to provide each interested participant access to our system via API white listing. Long term it is the intention to make the Address Checker tool open source and/or offer it as a service. How does this work compare to NISFITS group? Address Check is more of a technical solution to a problem of address verification related to NIS requirements. Communication: CENTR has opened a mailing list for participants and a gitlab repository.
Patrick Myles Data Analyst
CENTR - Belliardstraat 20, 1040 Brussels, Belgium Signal +61 415 728 347 - Skype: pat_centr www.centr.orghttp://www.centr.org/
I think as long as this is not yet open source for public audience GitHub is limiting the functionality too much for private projects.
GitLab is good.
Kind Regards,
Pawel
On 08.11.24 02:29, Patrick Myles wrote:
Thanks Nikolaj
For the moment we decided to leave in gitlab.
Regards
Patrick
*From:*Nikolaj Ravn Hansen nrh@punktum.dk *Sent:* Thursday, 7 November 2024 7:00 PM *To:* Patrick Myles patrick@centr.org; tf_address_check@centrlists.org *Subject:* RE: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Doesn’t make any difference to me if it’s Github or Gitlab.
That said, what is the primary purpose? If it’s only knowledge sharing, we could just as well use CENTR Github like we do with other initiatives (e.g., NISFITS)
On the other hand, if we also consider sharing actual working code, CENTR Gitlab might be a better fit both in terms of security and functionality?
But again, it’s up to you. Both works fine for me.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Nikolaj Ravn Hansen
Udviklingschef / Head of Development
Punktum dk A/S
Ørestads Boulevard 108, 11. sal
DK-2300 København S
+45 3364 6065 • +45 4076 1796 • nrh@punktum.dk mailto:nrh@punktum.dk • punktum.dk http://www.dk-hostmaster.dk/
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*From:*Patrick Myles patrick@centr.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2024 4:50 AM *To:* tf_address_check@centrlists.org *Subject:* [Tf_address_check] FW: Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Hi all,
Please note a couple more members on this list now. (.es, .be)
Quick question to Robin and all: I create the repo on gitlab.centr.org but in hindsight wondered if it would have been easier for people to use github ? https://github.com/CENTRprojects/ https://cas5-0-urlprotect.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fCENTRprojects%2f&umid=99ccb7dd-2de6-4bef-8600-dfa4d2643be7&auth=d0fd9b3dc0e68dcfc6c9a734ef37701405f1c817-8fea672ea89f7d17922b3ed4560ff80df891c0a2 ?
It’s not too late to change as we only just set it up and no activity yet.
Robin – please provide next steps for this group.
Regards
Patrick
*From:*Patrick Myles *Sent:* Monday, 4 November 2024 8:00 PM *To:* r&d@centrlists.org mailto:r&d@centrlists.org *Subject:* Invitation to new Task Force: Address Check
Invitation to new Task Force:
*Title:*Address Check
*Lead:*DENIC, .de (Robin Gontermann)
*Background:*To create an address check solution, that works well for European addresses and can be used as a standard in the CENTR community. As Registries we will be able to provide uniform address check results to our customers. Since we have seen, that some of us already achieved solutions optimized for domain holders living in their country, but struggling to find solutions for foreign citizens, we want to align our knowledge to create a general solution.
*Start date:*November 2024
*End date: *May 2025
*Deliverable 1:*Share country specific knowledge about addresses in a Repository to be created in the CENTR environment. Interested participants can create a folder for their country code and share specific insights about addresses in their country. It is not just about official standardized ways of displaying an address, but also how people in general deal with addresses. For example, in Germany we have a 5-digit postal code system, but unofficially some leading zeros are skipped and there are many used ways of displaying the postal code like: 01814 = 1814 = DE-01814 = D-01814. The repository can also hold resources for address data, if there are any in your country.
*Additional: *We invite interested participants to try out the DENIC Address Checker tool, which is currently optimized for German addresses, but is able to check addresses globally (with varying accuracy). Since it needs some requirements to set up the service, we are planning to provide each interested participant access to our system via API white listing. Long term it is the intention to**make the Address Checker tool open source and/or offer it as a service.
*How does this work compare to NISFITS group?*Address Check is more of a technical solution to a problem of address verification related to NIS requirements.
*Communication:*CENTR has opened a mailing list for participants and a gitlab repository.
Patrick Myles
Data Analyst
CENTR - Belliardstraat 20, 1040 Brussels, Belgium
Signal +61 415 728 347 - Skype: pat_centr
www.centr.org http://www.centr.org/
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Comment from an external (ICANN) to this group:
Just a thought: if .XY has an address checker for their country, and .YZ has an address checker for their country, couldn't .XY provide a way for .YZ to check the addresses of registrants in XY and vice versa? Once an interface specification had been defined, operators could then bilaterally engage with each other, with CENTR as a clearing house.
Regards Patrick
Hi Patrick,
My first reaction to that would be that we may face 2 kind of problems with this approach that would need to be considered and so far made such approach less attractive:
- GDPR when transferring data, which in most cases is considered as potentially PII as far as address data is concerned. DPAs may be needed between each the parties, which in MxM setup at scale may get complicated very fast, leaving also empty spots on the plane. If we consider cases outside of EU there might be some legal incompatibilities in the wider sense
- licencing and terms of use of the data sources, if some of them go beyond what is freely available. Again direct agreements between parties may be needed
Kind Regards,
Pawel
On 08.11.24 02:29, Patrick Myles wrote:
Comment from an external (ICANN) to this group:
Just a thought: if .XY has an address checker for their country, and .YZ has an address checker for their country, couldn't .XY provide a way for .YZ to check the addresses of registrants in XY and vice versa? Once an interface specification had been defined, operators could then bilaterally engage with each other, with CENTR as a clearing house.
Regards
Patrick
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